| Cal 103 [message #11418] |
Fri, 18 October 2019 15:00  |
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Barney Green
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Location: Wolfsburg, Germany
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Has anyonw ever come across a caliber 103 movement? This is the first time I have seen one.
The 1926 Supplement B Parts Catalog shows it, it is 8 ligne (althought actually I measure 7.85 ligne), the catalog says 15 and 16 jewels, but it actally is 17 jewels 4 Adjustments. Mikes book lists it as introdcued 1917 which is well possible. Numbers only for jewels /adj, no jewel or adjustment count in words.
Marked Gruen W. Co., so it may be a in house movement? It appears to be very light weight, almost as it were made of aluminium.
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Gruen, Gruen, Gruen ist alles was ich habe... Gruen, Gruen, Gruen is all I have...(German folklore song)
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| Re: Cal 103 [message #11420 is a reply to message #11418] |
Fri, 18 October 2019 17:11  |
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timeliz
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I have a cal 103 also, movement with dial only, and have identified it as a FHF Robert. Mine is 16j.
Can't find a photo but I must have researched it after I got it because I made a notation in my spreadsheet: "for 18K W case-Cartouche 39" .
"Some days are diamonds, some days are stones..." -John Denver
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| Re: Cal 103 [message #11421 is a reply to message #11420] |
Fri, 18 October 2019 17:37 |
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Barney Green
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Perfect, thanks a lot for the hint, Liz. Yes the dial of Cartouche 39 is a perfect fit to my dial as well.
I purchased it together with about 20 movements, seem to have been from a gold scrapper. Mainly higher end movements, some Cartouches, but mainly 280, 290, 275, 2571 and 2753.
And yes, you are right, it is a FHF movement, not in-house. Just the engraving is like of an in house movement. The FHF movement was introduced in November 1916, so the 1917 movement introdction date could be correct.
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Gruen, Gruen, Gruen ist alles was ich habe... Gruen, Gruen, Gruen is all I have...(German folklore song)
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| Re: Cal 103 [message #11422 is a reply to message #11421] |
Fri, 18 October 2019 19:56 |
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Barney Green
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I never knew that round cartouche movements existed. Gruen is always good to suprise me every day.
Gruen, Gruen, Gruen ist alles was ich habe... Gruen, Gruen, Gruen is all I have...(German folklore song)
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| Re: Cal 103 [message #11424 is a reply to message #11423] |
Fri, 18 October 2019 20:14 |
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timeliz
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I think Gruen just threw them into the cartouche catagory for record keeping.
These were here and gone in the blink of an eye.
Update...
Just found my 103 and took pics
"Some days are diamonds, some days are stones..." -John Denver
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| Re: Cal 103 [message #11442 is a reply to message #11424] |
Sat, 19 October 2019 13:00 |
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Barney Green
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Also the round calibers 100 and 101 wer used in Cartouches, I now figured out.
It loks like Gruen bought the ebauches from FHF and finished them in house, making these in house calibers. Calibers 100 and 101 have been slightly bigger and were used in the so called "Semi Cartouches". May be we would have to call the 103 based cartouches "Semi Cartouches" as well. There has also been the definition of "Short Cartouches" at that time and I assume they have had round movements as well.
Gruen, Gruen, Gruen ist alles was ich habe... Gruen, Gruen, Gruen is all I have...(German folklore song)
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| Re: Cal 103 [message #11683 is a reply to message #11449] |
Fri, 22 November 2019 13:44 |
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Case
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edit: moved my post on the sister 101 caliber to a new thread, since it wasn't in the database yet.
My two caveats:
1) I'm wrong many times a day --just ask my wife!
2) Always seeking to learn more
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| Re: Cal 103 [message #13705 is a reply to message #13704] |
Wed, 09 September 2020 19:45 |
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Barney Green
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Great, thank you very much for the addition!
Gruen, Gruen, Gruen ist alles was ich habe... Gruen, Gruen, Gruen is all I have...(German folklore song)
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| Re: Cal 103 [message #13721 is a reply to message #13718] |
Fri, 11 September 2020 06:08 |
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Barney Green
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Dan, Plate 25A with its round crystal coexisted with the octagon shaped crystal variant. Yes, the desription sounds similar and I agree it may have evolved from the 25A. Both are true beauties and imagine the buying prrice back in 1918. You could almost have bought a new car for that amount of money...
Gruen, Gruen, Gruen ist alles was ich habe... Gruen, Gruen, Gruen is all I have...(German folklore song)
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| Re: Cal 103 [message #15420 is a reply to message #15419] |
Tue, 07 September 2021 22:39 |
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Jenneke
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No international shipping. ☹️ Otherwise it would have gone for more…
You can only waste time if you forget to enjoy it - Loesje
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