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P.T. Barnum [message #5310] Sat, 21 March 2015 23:24 Go to next message
MonKee is currently offline  MonKee
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Maybe Barnum was correct.......... 171727695218
Re: P.T. Barnum [message #5311 is a reply to message #5310] Sat, 21 March 2015 23:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Don't know the story but not bad looking.

1952, after market second hand. I do wonder if the seller used the crystal remover to remove the case back, have to think that one over.
Re: P.T. Barnum [message #5312 is a reply to message #5311] Sun, 22 March 2015 01:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don't believe that this case was ever used for a PanAm. But I do wish that I knew who did the work on the dial. That's a beautiful PanAm refinish.
Re: P.T. Barnum [message #5313 is a reply to message #5312] Sun, 22 March 2015 21:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's blocked. Any idea why?
Re: P.T. Barnum [message #5314 is a reply to message #5313] Sun, 22 March 2015 22:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thojil wrote on Sun, 22 March 2015 21:32
It's blocked. Any idea why?

Still viewable here.
Re: P.T. Barnum [message #5319 is a reply to message #5314] Mon, 23 March 2015 16:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's working again. Agree with Cary that this seller is very good at refurbishing dials or has a good source. Usually his redials are of high quality.
Re: P.T. Barnum [message #5337 is a reply to message #5312] Thu, 26 March 2015 22:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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C. Hurt wrote on Sun, 22 March 2015 01:11
I don't believe that this case was ever used for a PanAm. But I do wish that I knew who did the work on the dial. That's a beautiful PanAm refinish.


Isn't that a Master Book import 255 model? The case lugs look very close. The heading in the Master Book says Guildite but the picture looks more like a gold case.

I couldn't agree more on the quality work he does on his dials. He does all of his own dial work and I think are the best you'll find these days.

Why the PT Barnum label MonKee? I'm no Pan Am expert but I don't think the listing is that far-fetched.
Re: P.T. Barnum [message #5339 is a reply to message #5337] Fri, 27 March 2015 03:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sorry Mike but I believe Cary is correct. Import 255 was a Guildite case and to the best of my knowledge no gold or gold filled versions were produced by Gabus Freres . There are similar cases made in the USA that were gold filled but they were never used in the Pan American series. In this particular case the seller has assembled a watch of all Gruen components however Gruen never produced one like it. As to the Barnum reference, the saying "A sucker is born every minute" is attributed to him.

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Re: P.T. Barnum [message #5340 is a reply to message #5339] Fri, 27 March 2015 15:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's definitely not an Import. That's a Wadsworth case.
Re: P.T. Barnum [message #5344 is a reply to message #5340] Fri, 27 March 2015 20:15 Go to previous message
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Yea, I agree, has some rough characteristics superficially, but the details don't support a valid model.
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