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NAWCC Discussion [message #4699] Tue, 09 December 2014 09:08 Go to next message
MikeTheWatchGuy
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GaryM wrote on Mon, 08 December 2014 21:55
Jack had that checked out some time ago I believe. Yeah the NWACC is funky as I hear getting information can be like pulling teeth. Too a lot of folk who dabble in the trade use their name in professional manner for profit which is wrong outright.

I have an Astrin case sitting around here. I did ask the same question years back with the same results. I believe it was Jack's old thread.


Looking for the message in here on the NAWCC. Is it a basic discouragement to join or a complaint about getting the free research information quickly?

I thought the NAWCC library researcher (I think John or Don was his name) working for us on the "L" logo was an in plain sight effort of someone going very far beyond anything any of us would have done if asked for help.

And, agreed, there are a lot of people that sell themselves as being trained watchmakers using the guise of an NAWCC affiliation, but there are just as many people that don't use the NAWCC as a prop.
Re: Watch case makers used by Gruen [message #4714 is a reply to message #4699] Thu, 11 December 2014 00:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
GaryM is currently offline  GaryM
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I'll end it by saying it's not worth the $72 to join. I can only think of 1 instance in all my years of the need to get a book or publication. Don't need their forum when you have dedicated ones like this and ones like WUS. Now if it was a cheaper $20-30 donation, I may re-consider.

My Legion dues are $30, yeah I don't get much from them either but they do have a bar, at least I can go get something to drink.


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Re: Watch case makers used by Gruen [message #4716 is a reply to message #4714] Thu, 11 December 2014 02:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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1st...
The NAWCC is expensive as non-professional associations go. Its about the same as my dues to the Geological Society of America. What is does have is relatively inexpensive admission fees to conventions and meetings. Cant say that about GSA. I would see no benifit for a foriegner that is not attending meetings of conventions to join. Heck, I though hard about my membership this last go-around with my dues but did so anyway. I check things out of the library (not sure if international members can). I got to regional meetings. I also been enjoying the local chapter lately. I also like to support where Bruce and some other of our members have published interesting watch related articles.

2nd...
Can we move this NAWCC merits discussion to a new thread?


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Re: Watch case makers used by Gruen [message #4719 is a reply to message #4716] Thu, 11 December 2014 06:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Done.

The local chapter sounds fun Jack and that would generate interest here. Chapter50 allows 3 free meetings then you have to become a member. The local chapter charges an annual $15 fee. Sounds like that's on top of the $72 NAWCC membership.


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Re: Watch case makers used by Gruen [message #4721 is a reply to message #4714] Thu, 11 December 2014 13:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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GaryM wrote on Wed, 10 December 2014 19:52
I'll end it by saying it's not worth the $72 to join. I can only think of 1 instance in all my years of the need to get a book or publication. Don't need their forum when you have dedicated ones like this and ones like WUS. Now if it was a cheaper $20-30 donation, I may re-consider.
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Re: Watch case makers used by Gruen [message #4725 is a reply to message #4721] Thu, 11 December 2014 16:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I was a member for a while, but it just didn't make sense for me. I've never gone to a meetings or any other functions. The bulletins weren't of much interest to me because I really hardly care about anything beyond 1920-1935 Gruens. If I were more active, had wider ranging interests, or had anything approaching even a modest commercial enterprise, I wouldn't have any problem with the price of membership.
I guess the other side of it is that even if you don't directly use the services and opportunities they offer, maybe it's worth the donation to support their activities to promote horology. But I don't really know much about what they do on that end. And to be honest, I don't really have that much of an interest in horology. My interest in watches is more the mindset of an antiques collector than a horology enthusiast.

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Re: Watch case makers used by Gruen [message #4727 is a reply to message #4725] Thu, 11 December 2014 22:34 Go to previous message
MikeTheWatchGuy
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I'll take an official stop up onto the soapbox.

Not sure what to make about the lack of need of their forum. It is a free forum and it's incredibly RICH and highly organized. The "American Pocket Watches" forum has over 20,000 threads alone. And I thought the board had been archived so that that number is actually only a fraction of what's been posted. It has it's place in the universe of watch forums.

Money is often the stated reason. Maybe if it were broken down .... it'll cost ya the large price of $6 per month.

Jack has stated many of the bigger reasons for membership. One thing about chapters is that you'll sometimes find the real titans of watchmaking are members that give lessons on watch repair every month. If you are fortunate to live in say the Bay Area in California, you'll have up to 4 chapters per week you can attend.

One benefit Jack stated is one that I used when I first started and should continue to use now is the library access. They'll mail you books. Again, they will mail you books. Rare ones. GREAT ones like the Gruen ID books that are available to use for free : - ) I like the free researchers that have worked on questions we have had. These are awesome volunteers that take a good amout of their time to help others interested in horology. I would not have jumped into the world of Gruens without seeing Roy's Master Book that I checked out of the library. They have many copies, by the way, should you want to see one for a while.

The list of benefits is long if one wishes to actually read through them. It's easy to throw rocks at the NAWCC. I gripe about them too. But it's difficult for me to think about life without them. They are the one organization working hard to preserve horology - watches, clocks and the like. You can argue the AWCI is too, but it is in a different way. The NAWCC is the repository for a horological books, and has a large museum where items are archived for the future horologists.

I'll admit that the scales of benefits versus payment are, for some people, skewed in the direction of the NAWCC. Those folks are putting more in than they receive. But gosh, do ya always have to get back something physical when supporting a craft, an art, and a slowly dying one at that. I personally fail to understand the rationale of not helping out the only group trying to hold together and preserve this hobby we all share together in a way people can interact and where all things horological can be archived.

Opinion, just one opinion....

Stepping off the soapbox.

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