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Early Wristlet
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Type : Wristlet.
Period/date :. 1913-
Gender : Female.
Case Maker : Unknown maker; JP
Case Material : .935 "Sterling Silver"
Case Serial :
Case Style no :n/a
Caliber : Cal 94. Subseconds variant is Calibre 95. Fifteen (15) Jewels.
Movement Maker : Gruen Guarantee
Movement Serial: n/a
Bracelet : n/a
Other info : Case marked: JP. Sterling silver. .935. Rampant Bear. United. W. Co.
Suisse. Roman numeral I VI on back bezel.
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]]>Ephemerald2020-08-27T06:15:17-00:00Re: Early Wristlet
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I like that it is different with the 12 โwrongโ and swing lugs]]>Jenneke2020-08-27T10:55:43-00:00Re: Early Wristlet
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No known ads of this one... I was wondering about opinions on the crown...it is a replacement right? Original? I'm not sure I have seen one exactly like it but, again, I do not know.
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Gary2020-08-27T22:45:17-00:00Re: Early Wristlet
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Ephemerald wrote on Thu, 27 August 2020 16:48
I was wondering about opinions on the crown...it is a replacement right? Original? I'm not sure I have seen one exactly like it but, again, I do not know.
It sure looks right to me. 100+ years later and before some higher level of standardization, to have a silver crown appropriate for the time is about as good as it gets. It's silver, it's the shape of the time. If not original, then it's an appropriate replacement. ]]>afire2020-08-28T03:11:09-00:00Re: Early Wristlet
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afire wrote on Thu, 27 August 2020 21:11
Ephemerald wrote on Thu, 27 August 2020 16:48
I was wondering about opinions on the crown...it is a replacement right? Original? I'm not sure I have seen one exactly like it but, again, I do not know.
It sure looks right to me. 100+ years later and before some higher level of standardization, to have a silver crown appropriate for the time is about as good as it gets. It's silver, it's the shape of the time. If not original, then it's an appropriate replacement.
Ok. Thanks for the feedback.
Jenneke, yes, that's it, I was aware of the watch being featured on his website, I recognized the watch when it came up for sale.
Gary- I don't think Paul owned the watch... but I don't it's history....It was a U.S. based sale.]]>Ephemerald2020-08-28T04:26:35-00:00Re: Early Wristlet
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Case2020-08-28T05:15:12-00:00Re: Early Wristlet
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Ephemerald wrote on Thu, 27 August 2020 01:15
Gender : Female.
Paul identified is as a men's watch. The lugs and overall styling are consistent with what you might see on an early men's wristwatch. 29mm doesn't seem too small to be a men's watch. Are you thinking too early to be men's? Or in person, just too small?
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afire wrote on Fri, 28 August 2020 10:53
Ephemerald wrote on Thu, 27 August 2020 01:15
Gender : Female.
Paul identified is as a men's watch. The lugs and overall styling are consistent with what you might see on an early men's wristwatch. 29mm doesn't seem too small to be a men's watch. Are you thinking too early to be men's? Or in person, just too small?
Yes, I thought the same thing when I purchased it John. but I now believe it is a wristlet though may be not 100%. Hopefully they will chime in w their knowledge because I don't want to speak for them but Bernd convinced me enough that I think it likely is a females watch just based on the movement.
It is an interesting subject to ponder though. Mostly, I'm on a mission for the maker.
Here it is next to Calibre 47 men's watch advertised in 1915. To me, it is significantly smaller.
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afire2020-08-30T04:15:51-00:00Re: Early Wristlet
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timeliz2022-12-29T00:15:20-00:00Re: Early Wristlet
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timeliz wrote on Wed, 28 December 2022 17:15
I'm with John...definitely a mens vibe & the early ladies' models were smaller.
That is fine. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, especially on other people's watches. ๐ I have a for sure ladies wrislet from about this year that is this size w/ this movement.
Anyway, I do not believe watch identification for gender is subjective in this period but is based on a few key criteria.
According to research by David Boettcher, this is very, very likely a ladies wristlet.
https://www.vintagewatchstraps.com/trenchwatches.php#manslad ies
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I've also never seen that particular movement in a ladies model.
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timeliz wrote on Wed, 28 December 2022 19:18
I just think this model evokes more of a feminine vibe of the day:
I've also never seen that particular movement in a ladies model.
Yes, that particular model does have a more feminine vibe. Not sure how that applies to my model.
David says "there is also a long history of women wearing military looking items during times of war".
You can point to any decade of Gruen wristlets and I'll show you mostly very "lady" like examples...but also some very obvious "manly" like models, meant for women. Gruen always had diversity in its lines.
At 11 ligne cal 94 is def an "in between" calibre but I have now seen this calibre in *numerous*, clearly ladies models.
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timeliz2022-12-29T05:34:32-00:00Re: Early Wristlet
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timeliz wrote on Wed, 28 December 2022 22:34
My bad, I was confusing your movement with another one I was looking at. I also have several models with this same movement. I still would not classify yours as a ladies model.
Again, that is fine, classify it however you'd like.
Of course, the real challenge would be finding this calibre in a model that is clearly for men. (Besides mine) ]]>Ephemerald2022-12-29T05:58:09-00:00Re: Early Wristlet
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Ephemerald wrote on Wed, 28 December 2022 18:01
That is fine. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, especially on other people's watches. ๐
What else is there to do than to opine on other people's watches?
Unless I'm missing something? Maybe Gruen was supplying movements to United W Co? Are there other examples?]]>JackW2022-12-30T00:14:41-00:00Re: Early Wristlet
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Wrong United Watch Co.]]>Ephemerald2022-12-30T00:17:53-00:00