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Green black velvet [message #13784]

Tue, 22 September 2020 20:31

Jenneke
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Registered: May 2013
Location: Netherlands

Gruen Authority

Description
Green velvet top with black “rim”. Same in bottom. Hinged. Gruen service crest inside top. Gold(ish) bottom marked pat apld for and the letter N inside a circle.. Watch display holder from black velvet.

Period : 1930 - 1935
Watch type : Quadron
Size : L=6.75 cm W=12cm H=3.75 cm
Inventor : unknown
Patents : pat. apl for, unknown

Box maker : a company starting with an N: F. H. Noble & Co., Chicago, Illinois

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Re: Green black velvet [message #13785 is a reply to message #13784]

Tue, 22 September 2020 20:33

Jenneke
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Location: Netherlands

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Something that might help dating it. The watch I saw a few years ago in a similar box.

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Re: Green black velvet [message #13787 is a reply to message #13785]

Tue, 22 September 2020 21:01

afire
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Registered: May 2013
Location: Wisconsin

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I had a Quadron with a 1932 dedication (though I suspect the watch was a little earlier) come in that box. I can't be certain it was original to the watch, but the watch seemed to be all original other than the band. My best guess is that it was the original box and the watch originally had a metal band.

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Re: Green black velvet [message #13793 is a reply to message #13787]

Thu, 24 September 2020 05:48

DRGM
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Registered: January 2020

Gruen Apprentice

Hi Jenneke,

that’s a noble box - literally! Maker of the box is the company F. H. Noble & Co., Chicago, Illinois. Here’s one of their several “N” trademarks:

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I saw some design patents of Noble relating to watch boxes, but unfortunately, none of them matches your box. In most cases a John M. Shields was the inventor.

Regards

Martin

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Re: Green black velvet [message #13794 is a reply to message #13793]

Thu, 24 September 2020 10:37

Jenneke
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Registered: May 2013
Location: Netherlands

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Martin, great that you found the maker!

The F.H. Noble & co was established in 1876 and was situated at (553-) 559 W 59th st Chicago (building is gone).
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They made jewelry boxes, badges, emblems, pins and rings. I am not sure but it could be they switched to cremation urns.

The patent i think the box might refer to, is US1906111A Box for displaying jewelry and the like, by John M Shields. Filed march 8 1930 and published april 25 1933. The patent focusses on a container (any suitable construction) with a collapsible display frame(Velvet covered). That watch holder has the same shape, not that “hingie” though.
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