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| Re: Men's wristwatch 707/1 [message #16063 is a reply to message #16062] |
Sun, 30 January 2022 03:23   |
thesnark17
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Both examples in the thread are slightly different in the seconds from strap 112 and each other. I am interested to see where that goes.
Regarding removing radium, water will soften and/or dissolve it. It goes without saying that the water is radioactive after that... as is anything that touches the water (until thoroughly cleaned, though that will contaminate more water...). It can also be chipped off gently while dry. You do not want to breathe the dust - do it in a bag or better yet, outside and in a bag. It goes without saying that you should wear gloves.
Disposal of radioactive waste is generally regulated by the government. You are not supposed to throw it away, or wash it down the sink. I do not know the specific procedures for disposing of radium as a private individual in the US, though, much less the Netherlands.
A Geiger counter is a must to check for inadvertent contamination of your house/workspace after you have finished. Radium is fairly safe outside of the human body, but it is not at all safe inside it - and having it around your house in unknown places is a good way to get it inside you eventually.
All things considered, I would leave it be. It looks good as it is.
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| Re: Men's wristwatch 707/1 [message #16130 is a reply to message #16067] |
Thu, 17 February 2022 01:48 |
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Ephemerald
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Here is my Strap 61 & Strap 62 data:
Strap 61 (green gold filled):
Both of my 61 examples carry : "Gruen, 14 karat, gold filled, Wadsworth, 707 1"
One of the 61 caseback serial number is 5094039. It has 707 movement sn: 86839.
Bezel: E4039.
Other 61 caseback serial is 5094071. It has 707 movement sn: 75151.
Bezel: E4071.
Strap 62 (white gold filled):
Both of my examples carry: "Gruen, 14 karat, gold filled, Wadsworth 707 1"
One of the 62 caseback serial numbers is 5096653. It has 707 movement sn: 74239.
Bezel: 6653. Note: *No E*
Other 62 caseback serial is 5171229. It has 707 movement sn: 90657.
Bezel: E1229.
Kind of interesting when compared to data on this thread.
Matthias
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| Re: Men's wristwatch 707/1 [message #16134 is a reply to message #16133] |
Thu, 17 February 2022 19:04 |
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Ephemerald
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Jenneke wrote on Thu, 17 February 2022 11:48My watch is an outlier and the only one with Ultra Quality.
Thanks. I am also interested in why some do not have the E on bezel, and what the E really means. I can't be sure but it looks like Snarks does not have an E, one of my 62's definitely does not have it.
Matthias
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| Re: Men's wristwatch 707/1 [message #16138 is a reply to message #16137] |
Fri, 18 February 2022 02:19 |
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Ephemerald
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When you say "reinforced" do you mean "Reinforced With Metal" or "Reinforced With Extra Gold"? Or both?
Seems logical to me, doubt those letters match those exact definitions, but yeah I hear you. Yes, I got several later Ultra Quality with P's on them, I'll have to look deeper for patterns, over time. Thanks for the feedback.
Matthias
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| Re: Men's wristwatch 707/1 [message #16139 is a reply to message #16137] |
Fri, 18 February 2022 03:24 |
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Ephemerald
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Ah, figured out what I think you mean, long day at work.
A = "American".
R = "Reinforced With Metal"
E = "Reinforced with Extra Gold"
P = Permanent, perhaps you mean P=Ultra Quality? Not clear there but....
I dunno, none of my E models say "Reinforced with Extra Gold" on them at all.
& like I said, I have Ultra Quality's w P's on the bezel, but Jennekes Ultra Quality above has an E on it. Further research required I guess.
Matthias
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| Re: Men's wristwatch 707/1 [message #16142 is a reply to message #16140] |
Fri, 18 February 2022 15:38 |
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Case
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I think you both understand as much as I do about the letters now--perhaps a vintage wadsworth ad will turn up with a list of their gold filled line names. Remember Charlie Cleves proved to us that Gruen's gold thicknesses were higher than Wadsworth's standards in general. But we regularly look at watches spanning the teens to the 30s & beyond. So lots changing.
Maybe it will help to list key dates for gold filled markings. The proof can wait for a longer thread with more time.
-1915-09-01: first mention I've found of Ultra Quality case: Most Beautiful Watch in America ad, verithin model 284, $40. It is described as "ultra solid" and "better than 25 years." It equates to Permanent--which is why the cases are marked "Ultra Quality, per."[manenent]
-1922-08-22: first mention of "ultra quality reinforced gold filled" in an ad for a ladies wristlet
-1922-11-01: first claimed use of "reinforced gold" (see early 3MM pocket watch cases and 2MM wristie cases)
-1923: Wadsworth began adding some purity stamps in case ("14k gold filled")
-1924-01-01: All cases made and stamped for Wadsworth have a purity mark (see "14k Gold reinforced with metal", "14k Gold filled"). Gruen used a technicality to continue to have Wadsworth make a special Ultra Quality line of cases without a purity stamp, but Wadsworth took their name off of it--those are the special Gruen cursive font Ultra Quality cases. Like John Hancock's signature on the Declaration of Independence, if the FTC came after Gruen, they made it clear they stood behind the product.
-1926: Wadsworth gets fed up with deceiving the public with reinforced, signs a pact with other casemakers that all cases will be marked gold filled. Gruen comes on board (willingly or no), and the Ultra Quality gets a purity mark. See "14k gold filled reinforced with extra gold" and "Ultra Quality 14K Gold Filled" (as on Matthias' post above)
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| Re: Men's wristwatch 707/1 [message #16143 is a reply to message #16142] |
Fri, 18 February 2022 16:36 |
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Ephemerald
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Looks like Wadsworth used 3 P's....Permanent.....Pilot.....and Platold.
As already stated by Snark, Permanent is gold filled, guaranteed permanently.
Then Pilot. Gold filled, guaranteed for 15 years, up thro Feb 1898. 20 years from May 1898 to May 1903. 25 years after Dec 1905.
Platold would be nickel back and bezel w gold filled center ring.
There's a lot more but that's the P's..
Matthias
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| Re: Men's wristwatch 707/1 [message #16462 is a reply to message #16144] |
Sun, 17 April 2022 19:40 |
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Jenneke
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And thanx to Matt, it now has an original crystal. Which fits it perfectly.
Also new handmade strap made by order from a Dutch watchforum member.
Dial without the bezel:
You can only waste time if you forget to enjoy it - Loesje
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| Re: Men's wristwatch 707/1 [message #16465 is a reply to message #16464] |
Mon, 18 April 2022 16:08 |
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JackW
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That was supremely nice of you, Matt.
All I know is based on hard work & writing by others. I can only aspire to augment this body of knowledge. If I am wrong it is because of my own failings. -me
"If I have seen farther it is by standing on the shoulders of giants." - Newton
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