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FOUND 405SS/420SS Sweep Wheel and/or salvage movement [message #17172] Sun, 28 August 2022 19:25 Go to next message
Levine98 is currently offline  Levine98
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Registered: June 2022
Location: Richmond VA
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Hi,

Have been slowly restoring a Gruen 420SS when I sent the small brass cap that holds the sweep wheel to the 3rd? wheel flying. I've included a picture of the wheel I'm referring to since I probably have my nomenclature mucked up.

I've totally disassembled my workshop (which is only 10x7, an old trunck closet in my 145 year townhome). No luck whatsoever.

I have searched eBay for both the part and even a whole salvage movement. While I've found a few salvage movements, the cost is nearly double what I paid for the original piece.

Before I pull the trigger there I thought I'd try the forum first as I know some members have serious NOS/salvage inventory they use for restoration.

Any and all help greatly appreciated--thanks in advance--Levine98 (hobbyist from Richmond VA).

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[Updated on: Mon, 29 August 2022 20:50] by Moderator

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Re: WTB 405SS/420SS Sweep Wheel and/or salvage movement [message #17175 is a reply to message #17172] Mon, 29 August 2022 04:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Benjamin_Rush is currently offline  Benjamin_Rush
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Does that part interchange with the 410SS, as seen here? (410ss is the 10.5''' version.)

ebay.com/itm/255564176673

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Re: WTB 405SS/420SS Sweep Wheel and/or salvage movement [message #17177 is a reply to message #17175] Mon, 29 August 2022 12:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Levine98 is currently offline  Levine98
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yes, that is one i'm watching. If i don't find a replacement wheel and cap I'll just have to spend $30 on it Sad

The 420SS is based on the 405SS as are the 406SS and 410SS calibers. So I've got ebay searches on all four calibers hoping to find a less expensive salvage movement.

[Updated on: Mon, 29 August 2022 12:19]

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Re: WTB 405SS/420SS Sweep Wheel and/or salvage movement [message #17179 is a reply to message #17177] Mon, 29 August 2022 18:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Levine98 is currently offline  Levine98
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Just bought a $14 salvage movement (411SS) from eBay. They all appear to be based on the 405SS with differences in size and number of jewels determining caliber. Beyond those two distinctions, they all appear to share the same wheels and balance complete.

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Re: WTB 405SS/420SS Sweep Wheel and/or salvage movement [message #17180 is a reply to message #17179] Mon, 29 August 2022 23:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
thesnark17 is currently offline  thesnark17
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That is true. Pretty much all the moving parts are shared between the 405/406, 410/411, and 420/421. Just don't tell anyone or the prices will go up! Wink

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Re: WTB 405SS/420SS Sweep Wheel and/or salvage movement [message #17183 is a reply to message #17180] Tue, 30 August 2022 02:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Benjamin_Rush is currently offline  Benjamin_Rush
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Congrats, Levine. Careful with that radium lume!

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Re: WTB 405SS/420SS Sweep Wheel and/or salvage movement [message #17184 is a reply to message #17180] Tue, 30 August 2022 02:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JackW is currently offline  JackW
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Hi Levine98,

Talk about learning something new.... never realized that those hubs come off. If you have a lathe, you can make a new one. Minus a lathe, send (via PM) me your mailing address and I'll send a sweeps driving wheel to you. You can send me back the old one, I'll make a new hub for it.

All I know is based on hard work & writing by others. I can only aspire to augment this body of knowledge. If I am wrong it is because of my own failings. -me

"If I have seen farther it is by standing on the shoulders of giants." - Newton

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Re: WTB 405SS/420SS Sweep Wheel and/or salvage movement [message #17196 is a reply to message #17184] Wed, 31 August 2022 19:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Levine98 is currently offline  Levine98
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Super kind, PM sent.

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Re: WTB 405SS/420SS Sweep Wheel and/or salvage movement [message #17197 is a reply to message #17183] Wed, 31 August 2022 19:20 Go to previous message
Levine98 is currently offline  Levine98
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Thanks for the caution. I've recently invested in a respirator mask so i can better deal with this kind of stuff (I hand clean parts in naphtha which is also pretty nasty in a small room with poor ventilation).

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