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Dial needed [message #2776]

Wed, 29 January 2014 01:12

mikey
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Registered: May 2013
Location: Paris, Ontario

Gruen Master

Time for my "Tomas" imitation... Smile

Smile

I'm looking for a replacement dial if anyone has one they are willing to part with for a reasonable fee. Watch is a 705 - 13 with the case inscribed as 1934. Dial is 25mm h x 21mm w. I need a crystal too (25.0mm x 20.5mm) so if anyone has spare stock....
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While i'm in a begging mood......if anyone has a red seconds hand for a Pan-Am, i'm looking for one of those too.
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Re: Dial needed [message #2777 is a reply to message #2776]

Wed, 29 January 2014 04:18

JackW
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Location: Denver

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Hello!

In looking at the dial for your 705, I'm thinking it isn't the correct shape for the case. As to the seconds hand, good luck. I've had to buy complete movements to find my spares.

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Re: Dial needed [message #2780 is a reply to message #2777]

Wed, 29 January 2014 16:06

mikey
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Registered: May 2013
Location: Paris, Ontario

Gruen Master

Hey Jack,

I'm 'pretty sure' the dial is original given its condition and the amount of 'gunk' around it and it actually fits the case / dial cover fairly well. I've cleaned up the case etc since those pics were taken and it looks much more presentable now. As for the red seconds hand....i figgered as much. Smile

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Re: Dial needed [message #2781 is a reply to message #2780]

Wed, 29 January 2014 16:36

afire
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Registered: May 2013
Location: Wisconsin

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I don't know if or how this is possible (moved feet, lucky placement of the 4th wheel), but I think that may be an Elgin dial. I've only ever seen that oddball "10" on Elgins.

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Re: Dial needed [message #2782 is a reply to message #2780]

Wed, 29 January 2014 16:43

Bazzab
Messages: 181
Registered: May 2013
Location: Tampa Bay Fl

Gruen Guildsman

Must agree with Micky T on this.

I have the same model in White gold filled, same dial, even the very strange 10, although the second hand track on mine is different
When I first received it I thought it was a redial because of that 10,
I believe the Models are Strap 134 for the Yellow Gold and 135 for the White

Will post pictures later

B

http://www.watchesoftheguild.com/

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Re: Dial needed [message #2785 is a reply to message #2782]

Wed, 29 January 2014 18:07

afire
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Registered: May 2013
Location: Wisconsin

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Interesting. I just know that font from Elgin dials, but I suppose perhaps Gruen used it too. Another possibility - I usually see that odd font on NOS Elgin dials. It's never been 100% clear to me whether these are in fact from the Elgin factory, or aftermarket replacement dials made by a third party. If that's the case, maybe similar styles were made for more than just Elgin.

http://www.daveswatchparts.com/InventoryPhotos/dial197.jpg

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Re: Dial needed [message #2786 is a reply to message #2776]

Wed, 29 January 2014 18:25

Timeticker
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Registered: June 2013
Location: Somewhere in the world

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MikeyT,,,

Ha ha ha ha! You're killing me! Laughing

Laughing

You will never be as big a bum as I am!!! I took years to perfect the art! (I do give free lessons tho)!

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Re: Dial needed [message #2791 is a reply to message #2786]

Wed, 29 January 2014 22:16

mikey
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Registered: May 2013
Location: Paris, Ontario

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Thanks for that info Barry, i'll look forward to your pics! Tomas.... you may be right. Very Happy

Very Happy

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[Updated on: Wed, 29 January 2014 22:17]

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Re: Dial needed [message #2792 is a reply to message #2791]

Thu, 30 January 2014 01:06

Timeticker
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Location: Somewhere in the world

Gruen Master

MikeyT,

Did you ever make that solution I gave you the recipe for? Please let me know either way.

People you thought were your best friends will stab you in the back to your face!

Love them anyway.
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Re: Dial needed [message #2793 is a reply to message #2792]

Thu, 30 January 2014 03:25

mikey
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Location: Paris, Ontario

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No I didn't. I keep meaning to try it out but just never seem to get around to doing so. Sad

Sad

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Re: Dial needed [message #2794 is a reply to message #2793]

Thu, 30 January 2014 03:44

Gary
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Location: Left Coast

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Given that the dial looks redone on that pan am, paint the town red (second hand). Some enamel red paint and pop her in the toaster oven for a slow roast.

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Re: Dial needed [message #2795 is a reply to message #2794]

Thu, 30 January 2014 06:23

C. Hurt
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Registered: May 2013

Gruen Guildsman

For the PanAm hand, use a matte red model paint applied very thinly.

Borel has a red seconds hand that is a reasonable substitute.

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Re: Dial needed [message #2798 is a reply to message #2776]

Thu, 30 January 2014 17:55

Bazzab
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Registered: May 2013
Location: Tampa Bay Fl

Gruen Guildsman

Heres the photos of mine

This just as I received it. Same movement, same case maker. the marking around the the second hand is different

http://i1107.photobucket.com/albums/h399/bazzab51/Strap135.jpg

The dial fits in the same way as Mickeys.

http://i1107.photobucket.com/albums/h399/bazzab51/Strap135Bezelremoved.jpg

The dial seems to be finished in the same way.

http://i1107.photobucket.com/albums/h399/bazzab51/Strap135Dial.jpg

It does look like a match to the Elgin, It does not match the watch in the Collectors Book,
My case back number, is 230 later that Mickeys, which might lead me to believe that they were from the same batch?
Maybe the factory had a group of old stock watches re dialed to modernise them.

PS Mickey, did you manage to contact Darin?

http://www.watchesoftheguild.com/

[Updated on: Thu, 30 January 2014 23:07]

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Re: Dial needed [message #2801 is a reply to message #2798]

Thu, 30 January 2014 23:00

mikey
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Registered: May 2013
Location: Paris, Ontario

Gruen Master

Interesting stuff Barry. No, i've never heard back from DarHin. I might have his phone# here somewhere so if i can find it i'll give him a call.

mike

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Re: Dial needed [message #2939 is a reply to message #2801]

Sun, 09 February 2014 18:45

Gary
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Location: Left Coast

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mikeyt wrote on Thu, 30 January 2014 23:00

i've never heard back from DarHin. I might have his phone# here somewhere so if i can find it i'll give him a call.

Any luck Mikey?

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Re: Dial needed [message #2945 is a reply to message #2939]

Mon, 10 February 2014 00:06

mikey
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Registered: May 2013
Location: Paris, Ontario

Gruen Master

Nope, nothing. I did have his phone# at one point but i think it was lost with my email in the demise of our original forum.

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