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Curvex Chancellor (440) [message #804]

Thu, 27 June 2013 17:58

C. Hurt
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Registered: May 2013

Gruen Guildsman

Model name: Curvex Chancellor
Period/date: circa 1947
Gender: Mens
Case Maker: Armand Lemieux Watch Case Corp, NYC
Case Material: 14 Karat Gold
Case Serial:
Case Style no: 440 568
Caliber: 440
Movement Maker: Gruen
Movement Serial:
Other info: One of the few models made available in all three colors (yellow, white, pink) of 14K.

http://www.knology.net/~churt4/chan/Dscn9445.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~churt4/chan/Dscn9426.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~churt4/chan/DSCN9428.JPG

http://www.knology.net/~churt4/chan/Dscn9436.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~churt4/chan/DSCN9439.JPG

And in Pink...

http://www.knology.net/~churt4/pink/Pink1.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~churt4/pink/Pink10.jpg

http://www.knology.net/~churt4/pink/Pink2.jpg

I'll add yellow when I get the pictures done...

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Re: Curvex Chancellor (440) [message #814 is a reply to message #804]

Thu, 27 June 2013 21:24

Jenneke
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Registered: May 2013
Location: Netherlands

Gruen Authority

Quote:

I'll add yellow when I get the pictures done...

Incredible. Shocked

You can only waste time if you forget to enjoy it - Loesje

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Re: Curvex Chancellor (440) [message #4114 is a reply to message #814]

Tue, 12 August 2014 13:46

Weedy03
Messages: 2
Registered: July 2014

Gruen Apprentice

I have identified my watch as a Gruen chancellor but it doesn't say "curved" on the face,any idea why?

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Re: Curvex Chancellor (440) [message #4116 is a reply to message #4114]

Tue, 12 August 2014 16:06

Barney Green
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Registered: February 2014
Location: Wolfsburg, Germany

Gruen Authority

Hi Weedy03,

there are three possibilities which come to my mind resulting in the lack of the "Curvex" (should not be curved on the dial) signature.
1) It is a refinished dial where they simply did not care
2) The dial is so worn that the letters are gone
3) your ID is wrong
There are several very similar watches also from the Veri-Thin series which might look similar but are not the Curvex Chancellor.
Which movement does your watch have? Is it also a caliber 440 movement?
It might also be a Veri-Thin Regal or something else with a 3 diamond dial if this is what made you IDing your watch as the Curvex Chancellor. There is at least one other Veri-Thin model with 3 diamonds and solid gold case 430-587 caliber/style combination.

Without this caliber/style combination and a few good views of the watch it will be difficult for us to help you with the ID of your watch.

Gruen, Gruen, Gruen ist alles was ich habe... Gruen, Gruen, Gruen is all I have...(German folklore song)

[Updated on: Tue, 12 August 2014 16:06]

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Re: Curvex Chancellor (440) [message #4117 is a reply to message #4116]

Wed, 13 August 2014 18:41

Barney Green
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Registered: February 2014
Location: Wolfsburg, Germany

Gruen Authority

I think the 430-587 is the Veri-Thin Governor...

Gruen, Gruen, Gruen ist alles was ich habe... Gruen, Gruen, Gruen is all I have...(German folklore song)

[Updated on: Thu, 14 August 2014 18:06]

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Re: Curvex Chancellor (440) [message #4119 is a reply to message #4117]

Thu, 14 August 2014 16:21

MikeTheWatchGuy
Messages: 319
Registered: May 2013
Location: North Carolina

Gruen Guildsman

I recall a discussion some time back that Gruen sometimes left off something on the dial that is normally there. The Curvex can be located on 2 places, one is below the 12:00, the over right above the subseconds.

Weedy03, does the caseback match? I assume the bezel does. Can you post a picture? (moderator, I don't know if this thread is the place to kick off this discussion and bring it into even more detail)

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Re: Curvex Chancellor (440) [message #4121 is a reply to message #4119]

Thu, 14 August 2014 18:46

Gary
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Registered: May 2013
Location: Left Coast

Gruen Authority
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Do these particular dials have the hard enamel logo/indices? I found for the Roman numeral dials that the "Curvex" logo is not of hard enamel like the "Gruen" logo and indices. International Dial for example uses a buffer to remove the old patina which does not affect the hard enamel paint. Thus the Curvex logo is buffed off very easily along with the patina. I suspect many dial refinish companies used this method.

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