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GRUEN ASSMANNS [message #628]

Wed, 12 June 2013 08:20

artbissell
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Location: Boulder, CO.

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1895-1903 Assmann movements specified by Dietrich Gruen. Hunter and open face 18s,16s,10s. Best quality Gruens.
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Re: GRUEN ASSMANNS [message #630 is a reply to message #628]

Wed, 12 June 2013 11:38

Thojil
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Location: Concorès, France

Gruen Master

Trying to make me jealous Laughing

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Re: GRUEN ASSMANNS [message #633 is a reply to message #630]

Wed, 12 June 2013 16:03

artbissell
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Location: Boulder, CO.

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Thojil wrote on Wed, 12 June 2013 05:38

Trying to make me jealous

CERTAINLY NOT Shocked

. Do not want to offend a fine source for Gruen history and good judgement about watch mechanical details and varieties. art b.

Do you have some knowledge about the Assmann/Gruen small movements 0 size and 17''' ?

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Re: GRUEN ASSMANNS [message #637 is a reply to message #633]

Wed, 12 June 2013 21:05

Thojil
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Gruen Master

Unfortunately my knowledge of the Assmann movements is very limited. I will check if I can find something on the German Forums.

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Re: GRUEN ASSMANNS [message #846 is a reply to message #633]

Sat, 29 June 2013 00:59

paul-s
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Registered: June 2013
Location: Cincinnati, OH

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These are the only things from that era that I've found on paper.

From 1902:
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Don't have dates for these:
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The text on the left side reads:

Established in Manufacturing 1876.

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D. GRUEN
WATCH INTERESTS:

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Watch Factories:
D. GRUEN & SÖHNE
Glashütte by Dresden, Germany,
also Switzerland

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Case Factory:
GRUEN NATL WATCH CASE CO.,
Cincinnati, Ohio

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U. S Distributor:
D. GRUEN, SONS & CO.,
San Francisco Cincinnati New York

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RETAILED ONLY THROUGH ACCREDITED AGENCIES
The Leading Jeweler in each city.

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Re: GRUEN ASSMANNS [message #854 is a reply to message #846]

Sat, 29 June 2013 16:43

artbissell
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First time seen listing of sizes available. Nice Grossmann details. THANKYOU Paul. art b.

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Re: GRUEN ASSMANNS [message #880 is a reply to message #854]

Mon, 01 July 2013 12:47

Thojil
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Interesting info Paul. 1902 is the earliest ad I have seen so far of their Swiss Extra Precision movements that Gruen started to market. The assumption is they started as early as 1900 with these movements, based on an article published in "The Jewelers' Circular - Weekly and Horological Review, February 28, 1900, pp. 33-4". Still don't know who actually produced these movements? Some assumed it was Aeby&Landry, but I researched that this can't have been the case.

By the way, I see they were also available in 00 size. I know 0 size is 13''' and 1 size is 13 1/2''', so is 00 size 13 1/4'''?

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Re: GRUEN ASSMANNS [message #881 is a reply to message #880]

Mon, 01 July 2013 16:59

Jenneke
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Location: Netherlands

Gruen Authority

They started earlier with precision movements. See picture below. It says "Präcisions Uhren" and is dated 20 August 1898.

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See also (in German): http://watch-wiki.org/index.php?title=Gruen_Watch_Company/de
It gives some info on Assmann and the "Grünsche Uhrenfabrikation Grün und Assmann".

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Re: GRUEN ASSMANNS [message #884 is a reply to message #880]

Mon, 01 July 2013 18:06

artbissell
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Registered: June 2013
Location: Boulder, CO.

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Thojil wrote on Mon, 01 July 2013 06:47

Interesting info Paul. 1902 is the earliest ad I have seen so far of their Swiss Extra Precision movements that Gruen started to market. The assumption is they started as early as 1900 with these movements, based on an article published in "The Jewelers' Circular - Weekly and Horological Review, February 28, 1900, pp. 33-4". Still don't know who actually produced these movements? Some assumed it was Aeby&Landry, but I researched that this can't have been the case.

By the way, I see they were also available in 00 size. I know 0 size is 13''' and 1 size is 13 1/2''', so is 00 size 13 1/4'''?

MY BOOK HAS 2/0 {00): 12 3/4''' art b.

EXTRA PRECISION I ASSUME YOU MEAN TO BE THE FIRST MADRETSCH MARKED BEST 21j Verithins also usually marked EXTRA as well as PRECISION. The 131K without EXTRA MARK is 1905-8? 144K marked EXTRA is after 1910? art b.

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Re: GRUEN ASSMANNS [message #890 is a reply to message #881]

Mon, 01 July 2013 20:42

Thojil
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Location: Concorès, France

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Jenneke wrote on Mon, 01 July 2013 18:59

They started earlier with precision movements. See picture below. It says "Präcisions Uhren" and is dated 20 August 1898.

You are right, I wasn't really clear by what I meant. I was referring to the movements that Gruen started selling after they stopped the Assmann joint venture and switched to Swiss produced movements.

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Re: GRUEN ASSMANNS [message #892 is a reply to message #884]

Mon, 01 July 2013 20:56

Thojil
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Registered: May 2013
Location: Concorès, France

Gruen Master

artbissell wrote on Mon, 01 July 2013 20:06

Thojil wrote on Mon, 01 July 2013 06:47
Interesting info Paul. 1902 is the earliest ad I have seen so far of their Swiss Extra Precision movements that Gruen started to market. The assumption is they started as early as 1900 with these movements, based on an article published in "The Jewelers' Circular - Weekly and Horological Review, February 28, 1900, pp. 33-4". Still don't know who actually produced these movements? Some assumed it was Aeby&Landry, but I researched that this can't have been the case.

By the way, I see they were also available in 00 size. I know 0 size is 13''' and 1 size is 13 1/2''', so is 00 size 13 1/4'''?

MY BOOK HAS 2/0 {00): 12 3/4''' art b.

EXTRA PRECISION I ASSUME YOU MEAN TO BE THE FIRST MADRETSCH MARKED BEST 21j Verithins also usually marked EXTRA as well as PRECISION. The 131K without EXTRA MARK is 1905-8? 144K marked EXTRA is after 1910? art b.

Thanks that explains the size.

I was not referring to the VeriThin Extra Precision, but Calibers 50 and 56 Extra Precision (and also cal. 35 & 21 normal Precision)

Thomas

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Re: GRUEN ASSMANNS [message #6134 is a reply to message #628]

Mon, 19 October 2015 21:26

Dennis8745
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Registered: September 2015
Location: Rhode Island

Gruen Apprentice

Thanks, that answers my question. Best Regards

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Re: GRUEN ASSMANNS [message #6135 is a reply to message #6134]

Tue, 20 October 2015 02:29

mikey
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Location: Paris, Ontario

Gruen Master

Dennis8745 wrote on Mon, 19 October 2015 17:26

Thanks, that answers my question. Best Regards

Thojil & Art are two of our more knowledgeable members when it comes to Gruen pocket watches.

Still here....

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Re: GRUEN ASSMANNS [message #15127 is a reply to message #846]

Thu, 03 June 2021 13:05

Case
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Registered: May 2019
Location: Cincinnati

Gruen Authority

Reviving this thread, because I can now pinpoint that this catalog was published between January & April 1901. Note that the Grossman escapement insert had been included in Gruen catalogs since the very first one published in 1895 (always printed in full color), and it was used at least until the one circa 1906-1907 that I posted in the Reference section.

paul-s wrote on Fri, 28 June 2013 20:59

These are the only things from that era that I've found on paper.

From 1902:

Don't have dates for these:

The text on the left side reads:
[align=center]Established in Manufacturing 1876.

--------------------------
D. GRUEN
WATCH INTERESTS:

-------

Watch Factories:
D. GRUEN & SÖHNE
Glashütte by Dresden, Germany,
also Switzerland

-------

Case Factory:
GRUEN NATL WATCH CASE CO.,
Cincinnati, Ohio

-------

U. S Distributor:
D. GRUEN, SONS & CO.,
San Francisco Cincinnati New York

-------

RETAILED ONLY THROUGH ACCREDITED AGENCIES
The Leading Jeweler in each city. </div>

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