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Re: Caliber 849 [message #13019 is a reply to message #13016]

Sat, 01 August 2020 19:33

Case
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Registered: May 2019
Location: Cincinnati

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Congrats, Barney, on another example of excellent research! Landeron it is. It’s hard to say anything about early Gruen with 100% certitude, but these Depose filings make it 100% in my book.

I’d done some looking at Landeron. The sites I found generally state Hahn switched to Landeron in 1925, but I disagree. I can confirm Hahn was already stamping Landeron on at least some movements circa 1920, possibly late teens. Here is one active swamp example with pre-1922 tariff stamps for US import. 133393265453 The dial suggests late teens.

Tangential but related, I have also found that Hahn/Landeron was a member—or at least a source—of SADA. I say that because I sometimes find SADA movements similar to Gruen but can find no info on SADA. Item 303616958737 looks like a left handed variant of 120 above; item 162861925030 has “Landeron” stamped on front plate below 6 position (I had one with a clearer stamp, but it ended).

Anyway—back to the important stuff. Well done, and congrats again!

My two caveats:
1) I'm wrong many times a day --just ask my wife!
2) Always seeking to learn more

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		Caliber 849 - 6.5L, 16J - Factory L By: Case on Thu, 05 December 2019 03:11
		Re: Caliber 861 By: Gary on Thu, 05 December 2019 03:36
		Re: Caliber 861 By: timeliz on Thu, 05 December 2019 03:37
		Re: Caliber 861 By: Case on Thu, 05 December 2019 20:56
		Re: Caliber 861 By: timeliz on Thu, 05 December 2019 21:32
		Re: Caliber 861 By: Case on Fri, 06 December 2019 03:31
		Re: Caliber 849 By: Case on Sat, 14 December 2019 19:11
		Re: Caliber 849 By: Case on Sat, 25 January 2020 02:38
		Re: Caliber 849 By: Case on Fri, 31 July 2020 19:06
		Re: Caliber 849 By: timeliz on Fri, 31 July 2020 19:42
		Re: Caliber 849 By: Gary on Fri, 31 July 2020 19:44
		Re: Caliber 849 By: timeliz on Fri, 31 July 2020 19:57
		Re: Caliber 849 By: Case on Sat, 01 August 2020 01:57
		Re: Caliber 849 By: Barney Green on Sat, 01 August 2020 13:02
		Re: Caliber 849 By: timeliz on Sat, 01 August 2020 16:13
		Re: Caliber 849 By: Case on Sat, 01 August 2020 19:33
		Re: Caliber 849 By: Jenneke on Sat, 01 August 2020 19:44
		Re: Caliber 849 By: Case on Mon, 08 February 2021 17:32
		Re: Caliber 849 By: Case on Fri, 29 April 2022 04:16

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