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WANTED: V7 hand and crystal [message #14634] Fri, 12 March 2021 19:03 Go to next message
Jenneke is currently offline  Jenneke
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Looking for a hour hand for an early V7 movement. Dont know how this style is called (square?).
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And a glass for this pocket watch. Measurement of my watchmaker: 382mm

Edit: correction, it is called a hour hand not a minute hand


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Re: WANTED: V7 hand and crystal [message #14635 is a reply to message #14634] Fri, 12 March 2021 19:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ephemerald
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They're called Lance Cathedral Hands.

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Re: WANTED: V7 hand and crystal [message #14637 is a reply to message #14635] Fri, 12 March 2021 19:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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And I personally would prefer to exchange the hour hand. To me the minute hand looks like it would have the correct length. Just my personal opinion Smile

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Re: WANTED: V7 hand and crystal [message #14638 is a reply to message #14637] Fri, 12 March 2021 19:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jenneke is currently offline  Jenneke
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You are right... not a crystal clear moment. Hour hand i mean... will correct it. Laughing

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Re: WANTED: V7 hand and crystal [message #14639 is a reply to message #14637] Fri, 12 March 2021 19:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
GaryM is currently offline  GaryM
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And those are not the original hands for the v7, the replacements I have are moon.
Re: WANTED: V7 hand and crystal [message #14640 is a reply to message #14639] Fri, 12 March 2021 20:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jenneke is currently offline  Jenneke
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Ownoooo.... might need two hands when you are correct. One benefit. If they should be moon my watchmaker has plenty of those. I’ve seen his unorganized hand drawer.

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Re: WANTED: V7 hand and crystal [message #14641 is a reply to message #14639] Fri, 12 March 2021 20:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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GaryM wrote on Fri, 12 March 2021 12:58
And those are not the original hands for the v7, the replacements I have are moon.
Hi Gary, these hands were an option on V7 according to 26 parts bookk. Where the name has changed to simply Lance Hands.

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Re: WANTED: V7 hand and crystal [message #14642 is a reply to message #14640] Fri, 12 March 2021 20:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes if you notice the minute hand extends up past the minute circle so it's not the right size hand IMO.
Re: WANTED: V7 hand and crystal [message #14643 is a reply to message #14642] Fri, 12 March 2021 20:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I see. You're right, I agree. Nice eye.

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Re: WANTED: V7 hand and crystal [message #14644 is a reply to message #14643] Fri, 12 March 2021 20:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well if Jenneke goes with the same hand just have the watchmaker trim it. Sounds like she has options.

I have plenty of hands for the V7 all moon. Very Happy

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Re: WANTED: V7 hand and crystal [message #14645 is a reply to message #14634] Fri, 12 March 2021 21:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My V-7 parts box is the same as Gary's with moon hands. But I have a V-4 box and the bottle contains moon hands and lance hands (even though the label said it should only have moons). No idea if these will fit.

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Re: WANTED: V7 hand and crystal [message #14647 is a reply to message #14645] Fri, 12 March 2021 22:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I disagree that the hand on the watch is "wrong" - a normal V7 minute hand tip will not be exactly on this minute track. That doesn't make it "right" either - but it's a real factory V7 hand, no question.

This style does not use a different sized minute hand than normal V7 (in terms of hole size). But the track is closer to the center than normal. So the generic Gruen hand will not line up.

It did not come from the factory with that hand on it, though. I have one of these with original hands, and the shape of the diamond is subtly different. Stubbier, and shorter. I think these hands started as normal V7 hands that were carefully stoned down to size before blueing. Both hour and minute differ - the entire outer (not inner) tip geometry is different from normal Gruen cathedral hands.


I also have V7 hands available, but only the normal types. Unless you're willing to find and buy a parts movement with the right hands, the only way to get the factory look will be to have someone carefully stone down a set of normal V7 hands. But that means you don't need a minute hand - you already have the right one. You do need an hour hand, but more importantly someone with experience altering hands.

Breguet moon hands are a correct style for the V7, but I do not think I have ever seen them with this dial style on a V7. And they would have the same length issue, but the alteration would be more difficult due to the shape of the hand.

Dials with engraving outside of a smaller-diameter minutes track have been used since the teens on multiple models, and every Gruen with this style dial has altered hands from the factory. There was a 740 version that used custom Breguet moon hands. But I don't recall seeing the shortened moon hands on a V7.

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Re: WANTED: V7 hand and crystal [message #14652 is a reply to message #14647] Sat, 13 March 2021 12:50 Go to previous message
Jenneke is currently offline  Jenneke
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Gosh, how a seemingly simple questions leads to an interesting story. This is amazing stuff.

The track closer to the middle. Pfieuw, not sure if my watchmaker can alter them. I must say, it doesnt bother me it is a bit too long. Makes a good story.

Would I selected the watch options, I would have chosen the moon hands. In my head flowing floral shapes fit well with round hands. But if the lance cathedral were the norm with these fancy dials, well, I will keep it that way. Smile

So, a cathedral hour hand is the one I need. Or a spare v7 with decorated dial (anyone? Cool )

Might need other stuff too. Very Happy Cant set the time and it is stuck somewhere.


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