| Ladies Wrist Watch -Cartouche 377 [message #2668] |
Wed, 22 January 2014 23:20  |
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erin.marie
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Registered: January 2014
Location: Wisconsin, USA
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Model name : Cartouche 377
Type : Wrist Watch
Period/date : 1920's
Gender : Ladies
Case Maker : Gruen Cincinnati
Case Material : 14K Solid Gold
Case Serial : 1254052
Case Style no : ?
Caliber : 313
Movement Maker : Gruen Guild
Movement Serial: 676808
Bracelet : 10k Gold Filled
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Erin
Philosopher Kaleel Jabron wrote:
"out of suffering have emerged the strongest souls, the most massive characters are seared with scars"
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| Re: Ladies Wrist Watch [message #2670 is a reply to message #2668] |
Wed, 22 January 2014 23:40  |
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erin.marie
Messages: 27
Registered: January 2014
Location: Wisconsin, USA
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I have scoured the internet trying to identify this watch. The number under the balance wheel is 313. I want badly to find a new crystal for this beauty, but it's been a dead end situation for me. I even contacted the crystal expert on the forum (I forget his name, sorry) but have not heard back from him yet). I paid very little for this watch, the owner thought the dial was yellow from smoking, HeeHee. Nor did he list that it was a 14k solid gold watch. The bracelet it 10K gold filled, not a fraction gold filled like we are used to seeing. Maybe the bracelet is new? But new bracelets aren't made to fit lugs, so that part just adds to the mystery of this watch.
I'm confused because this looks like an old deco type watch but I read that Gruens made in Cincinnati were all American made watches. This watch clearly has Switzerland stamped on the bottom of the face plate.
I received it in running condition, keeping excellent time, then the movement just falls right off the watch with little to no problem and it fell out, right onto the floor and one the balance wheel is broken...UGH! Is that because it's soft due to being solid gold? I can just shake the watch lightly and the back along with the movement falls right out!
Let's just say I need your help identifying this watch. There are so many idiosyncrasies that I just can't figure it out! Even though I do re-sell some of my watches, this one is definitely a keeper.
Thank you to anyone & everyone who has anything to contribute. I appreciate any information.
Erin
Philosopher Kaleel Jabron wrote:
"out of suffering have emerged the strongest souls, the most massive characters are seared with scars"
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| Re: Ladies Wrist Watch [message #2672 is a reply to message #2668] |
Wed, 22 January 2014 23:54 |
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Jenneke
Messages: 1853
Registered: May 2013
Location: Netherlands
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You have a ladies "cartouche" wrist watch. I haven't found an exact match yet. It looks like a cartouche 377, but with a different dial.
The case style number is inside the case back. Your case style number is 78, normally the case back also has the caliber number engraved.
Your watch dates from the period 1928 - 1935.
The movement is swiss. The case is american (in house made by gruen).
Guys, is this a dust proof crown?
Sorry to hear it landed on the floor!
You can only waste time if you forget to enjoy it - Loesje
[Updated on: Wed, 22 January 2014 23:58] Report message to a moderator |
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| Re: Ladies Wrist Watch [message #2681 is a reply to message #2679] |
Thu, 23 January 2014 02:28 |
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JackW
Messages: 1869
Registered: May 2013
Location: Denver
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Gruen Authority
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Bazzab,
Paul's site certainly states that both men's and lady's watch movements were made at the Norwood faciliy. However, if it is the cal 290, I've yet to see one that isn't marked with anything other than Switzerland. Maybe I'm missing them. In fact, I'm hard pressed to recall ever seeing a woman's movement marked "US" or "Cincinnati" as the US made 335s are stamped.
Cary has the same impression too - http://mb.nawcc.org/showthread.php?82487-Only-U-S-made-Gruen &p=617389&viewfull=1#post617389
All I know is based on hard work & writing by others. I can only aspire to augment this body of knowledge. If I am wrong it is because of my own failings. -me
"If I have seen farther it is by standing on the shoulders of giants." - Newton
[Updated on: Thu, 23 January 2014 02:35] Report message to a moderator |
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| Re: Ladies Wrist Watch [message #2685 is a reply to message #2684] |
Thu, 23 January 2014 21:03 |
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timeliz
Messages: 602
Registered: May 2013
Location: Northern California
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Erin,
Your watch repair person should be able to fit a new crystal. I imagine you will be taking your damaged movement in for repair. Depending on how long he/she has been in business it's possible he may have some of these older ones, otherwise, should be able to cut one to fit.
"Some days are diamonds, some days are stones..." -John Denver
[Updated on: Thu, 23 January 2014 21:04] Report message to a moderator |
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| Re: Ladies Wrist Watch [message #2768 is a reply to message #2766] |
Tue, 28 January 2014 13:49 |
mikey
Messages: 709
Registered: May 2013
Location: Paris, Ontario
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I haven't heard back from DarHin at all regarding crystals. Maybe the Canadian cold weather has reached all the way down to him and they're bundled up around the fireplace for a while.
Still here....
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