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| Re: Import to be or not to be [message #7797 is a reply to message #7793] |
Sat, 18 February 2017 07:49   |
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Barney Green
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I was thinking similar like Jack but I believed to see a C1 serial number at the movement. This would point towards 1949 which was "the Autowind year" I did not find a round crystalled watch with subsecond dial without autowind in that year...
Gruen, Gruen, Gruen ist alles was ich habe... Gruen, Gruen, Gruen is all I have...(German folklore song)
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| Re: Import to be or not to be [message #7801 is a reply to message #7797] |
Sat, 18 February 2017 17:32 |
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JackW
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In response to Barney's alternative hypothesis... ratchet wheel is plain; consistent with the 1941 date of the watch. Movement is clearly a cal 411 15 jewel 10-1/2L size. These were gone from the list of movements per Mikes tables by 1943.
Also, the German site "Gruen Watch" shows one since we don't have one in our online data base. Although Skirby posted one of these with a degraded lume/dial issue.
One additional thing of note is that the style of the dial, with the number font and subsecond chapter was by 1944 using a cal 421 (in the ad it is top row, right side). There is also an auto-wind Lexington but these were later (ca. 1950) and did not reuse the style of dial.
I'll go find my VT Lexington and post an image.
All I know is based on hard work & writing by others. I can only aspire to augment this body of knowledge. If I am wrong it is because of my own failings. -me
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| Re: Import to be or not to be [message #7803 is a reply to message #7801] |
Sat, 18 February 2017 18:08 |
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Barney Green
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Jack, you are absolutely right. As I said I just thought to see the C1 date so I looked in 1949 but could not find anything. I agree with you that this should be the VT Lexington!
I personally don't have a 411 watch, but a couple of 411C ones. They are all dated between 1940 and 1942...
Gruen, Gruen, Gruen ist alles was ich habe... Gruen, Gruen, Gruen is all I have...(German folklore song)
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| Re: Import to be or not to be [message #7817 is a reply to message #7803] |
Sun, 19 February 2017 23:45 |
Timeticker
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Hey Barney.......I have a 411. Wanna buy it? Lol! Kidding! You two fine gentlemen are incredible with all this information. Really good stuff! However, if you would like a 411 for restoration (will need case and such, no wait......I may have a derelict for restoration, please let me know, and I'll be very happy to gift it to you and send to Germany. Your call!
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Love them anyway.
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| Re: Import to be or not to be [message #7818 is a reply to message #7817] |
Sun, 19 February 2017 23:55 |
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Ok, so back to my question. Look very close at that minute hand. The style is different than that of the one JackW referred to. This minute hand was an after market add on, as I believe, the original was lost. The point on this minute hand is much more different than what I have on my other Gruens. JackW sent me a correct minute hand a few months back, and methinks that is what is supposed to be on here. (Although Skirby posted one of these with a degraded lume/dial issue.) Compare the two.........I'm not going nuts, am I? Also, was this supposed to be a 411c movement, or a plain 411?
People you thought were your best friends will stab you in the back to your face!
Love them anyway.
A "Paradoxical Commandment"
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| Re: Import to be or not to be [message #7819 is a reply to message #7818] |
Mon, 20 February 2017 08:05 |
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Barney Green
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That should be a plain 411, the 411C is marked as such and is obviously curved on the dial side.
Thank you very much for your offer, but I do own at least one 411 movement already. Sorry that I can't help with the minute hand.
Gruen, Gruen, Gruen ist alles was ich habe... Gruen, Gruen, Gruen is all I have...(German folklore song)
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| Re: Import to be or not to be [message #7820 is a reply to message #7819] |
Mon, 20 February 2017 14:36 |
Timeticker
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No, I get the part about the 411 and 411C as that is stamped in the lower plate and quite visible. What I'm asking is if this is an Import, was it supposed to be a 411 or 411c?
People you thought were your best friends will stab you in the back to your face!
Love them anyway.
A "Paradoxical Commandment"
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| Re: Import to be or not to be [message #7822 is a reply to message #7821] |
Mon, 20 February 2017 15:16 |
Timeticker
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Ahh, excellent! I sincerely appreciate that! Very kind of you, Sir!
People you thought were your best friends will stab you in the back to your face!
Love them anyway.
A "Paradoxical Commandment"
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| Re: Import to be or not to be [message #7823 is a reply to message #7822] |
Mon, 20 February 2017 15:20 |
Timeticker
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I went to the Gruen website. That is one beautiful Lexington! Pretty sure that dial was redone, but that is just beautiful! I'll probably have mine done back to a factory finish. However, I am now on the hunt for the correct minute hand!
People you thought were your best friends will stab you in the back to your face!
Love them anyway.
A "Paradoxical Commandment"
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| Re: Import to be or not to be [message #7829 is a reply to message #7826] |
Tue, 21 February 2017 02:01 |
Timeticker
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What is interesting is that Monkee pointed out that Gruen used all types of hand combinations on their watches, and then proceeds to show me a Gruen Import with radium "Cathedral" hands on it. I think it was an Import 233.
People you thought were your best friends will stab you in the back to your face!
Love them anyway.
A "Paradoxical Commandment"
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