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Strap 393 [message #8409] Mon, 09 October 2017 21:26 Go to next message
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Model name :Strap 393
Type :
Period/date : 1940's
Gender :Gents

Case Maker :Star Watch Case Company
Case Material :10K GF
Case Serial :
Case Style no :

Caliber :401C
Movement Maker :Gruen
Movement Serial:

Bracelet :

Other info :




index.php?t=getfile&id=3486&private=0index.php?t=getfile&id=3487&private=0index.php?t=getfile&id=3488&private=0I picked up this Gruen today. Can anybody ID the watch and approx. date of manufacture. I'd also be interested in the movement info.
Thanks, Brian
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Re: Gruen Mens ID [message #8412 is a reply to message #8409] Tue, 10 October 2017 07:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Barney Green
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Hi Brian,

nice watch! I can only provide you with the catalog ID, I have never seen this watch been advertised. So all I can tell you is "Strap 393", date of manufacture approximately 1940 (plus minus one year) and that the movement is a Swiss Gruen made caliber 401C.

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Re: Gruen Mens ID [message #8413 is a reply to message #8412] Tue, 10 October 2017 10:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks Barney
Re: Gruen Mens ID [message #16829 is a reply to message #8412] Thu, 30 June 2022 23:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Barney Green wrote on Tue, 10 October 2017 03:49
"Strap 393", date of manufacture approximately 1940 (plus minus one year) and that the movement is a Swiss Gruen made caliber 401C.

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Barney, do you know, are these style of hands luminous? If so, would that mean radium?

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Re: Gruen Mens ID [message #16830 is a reply to message #16829] Fri, 01 July 2022 02:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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sleepyastronaut wrote on Thu, 30 June 2022 17:21
If so, would that mean radium?
The hands originally would have had radium containing luminescent material.


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Re: Gruen Mens ID [message #16831 is a reply to message #16830] Fri, 01 July 2022 05:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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JackW wrote on Thu, 30 June 2022 22:39
sleepyastronaut wrote on Thu, 30 June 2022 17:21
If so, would that mean radium?
The hands originally would have had radium containing luminescent material.
Thanks, Jack. Was radium used in the paint for the indexes? My tuxedo dial has something akin to a champleve design, though I don't know it to be enamel, so that may not be an appropriate term.

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Re: Gruen Mens ID [message #16834 is a reply to message #16831] Fri, 01 July 2022 08:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Barney Green
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I disagree with Jack, in my opinion most likely the hands were not Radium filled. Here a closeup of another watch with these hands, looks like the slotted hands were not filled at all:


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Re: Gruen Mens ID [message #16841 is a reply to message #16834] Fri, 01 July 2022 16:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There is one easy way to find out. Shine a UV light on it. Florescence without retaining glow is a good sign of Radium. If no florescence than likely no lumed material.

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Re: Gruen Mens ID [message #16847 is a reply to message #16841] Fri, 01 July 2022 17:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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JackW wrote on Fri, 01 July 2022 12:26
There is one easy way to find out. Shine a UV light on it. Florescence without retaining glow is a good sign of Radium. If no florescence than likely no lumed material.
I know this test to work for tritium-based lume, but have read it isn't applicable to radium. It does work to detect my cotton undershirts. Wink
Re: Gruen Mens ID [message #16849 is a reply to message #16847] Fri, 01 July 2022 20:39 Go to previous message
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sleepyastronaut wrote on Fri, 01 July 2022 11:28
I know this test to work for tritium-based lume, but have read it isn't applicable to radium. It does work to detect my cotton undershirts. Wink
On your cotton t-shirt, it is detecting the optical brightener that was used in the detergent. UV works on my WWI watches. Zinc Sulfide, which is the phosphor in the radium luminescent material is itself UV reactive.



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