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What makes this worth that much $$$$ ? [message #8958]

Sat, 28 April 2018 01:11

timeliz
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I always thought the hands were pretty cool; just not THIS cool.
Was sitting at $880 something and in the last few seconds jumped to this-

ebay: 263622550700

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Sat, 28 April 2018 01:50

GaryM
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Sat, 28 April 2018 02:20

timeliz
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You need to search from SOLD listings.

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Sat, 28 April 2018 04:21

JackW
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weird

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Mon, 30 April 2018 19:10

Jenneke
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Provenance? Unique? Money laundry? Dont see it. Very strange.

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Re: What makes this worth that much $$$$ ? [message #8970 is a reply to message #8968]

Mon, 30 April 2018 20:45

Barney Green
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In good shape they usually sell for $5000. Don't ask me why...
Have a look here:
https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/gruen-ocean-chief-92a 4a3eb6a

Gruen, Gruen, Gruen ist alles was ich habe... Gruen, Gruen, Gruen is all I have...(German folklore song)

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Mon, 30 April 2018 21:00

timeliz
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I can understand a DIVER's watch going for that amount;
but the one I'm referencing isn't a diver watch.

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Mon, 30 April 2018 21:07

Barney Green
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Yes, but a similar model. Hands and dial are like from it. People are turning them into divers by simply adding the minute ring...

Gruen, Gruen, Gruen ist alles was ich habe... Gruen, Gruen, Gruen is all I have...(German folklore song)

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Mon, 30 April 2018 23:41

timeliz
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But divers need to be watertight at crystal, stem and back more so than a regular watch, in addition to adding a bezel.
Seems like a huge hack to me.

"Some days are diamonds, some days are stones..." -John Denver

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Tue, 01 May 2018 08:35

Barney Green
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The collectors spending 5k$ do not dive with their watches and I sometimes I think they ask for being cheated.
But anyway this style is highly sought after and prices are just like for the duo dials. Be it the Ocean Chief or a similar watch which might not be a diver.
I simply do not get it, but I do not get why a 80s Rolex or Omega or whatever is selling for 10k or more.

Gruen, Gruen, Gruen ist alles was ich habe... Gruen, Gruen, Gruen is all I have...(German folklore song)

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Sun, 06 May 2018 03:14

MonKee
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Here is an example of what your wrote about. Ebay 173303792008

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Sun, 06 May 2018 12:51

Barney Green
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Exactly...
Or this one: 152840611873

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Sun, 06 May 2018 14:53

timeliz
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If both of these are hacks, how does one identify a legitimate Gruen dive watch? Can you show an example?
I'm fairly certain it should at least identify a depth limit at least.

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Sun, 06 May 2018 15:56

Barney Green
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Don't know if these are hacks, both might be real. Just wanted to show the prices, these watches are sold at.
I have seen different bezels, the one with the 15 / 30 / 45 marking seems to be correct, I have seen watches with just the bars and no numbers , some with numbers every ten minutes.
I also don't know about the back. I have seen some with this back, some with a GRUEN GENEVE back.
Don't ask me which one is real, these watches are ways out of my desire at this price.

Barney

Gruen, Gruen, Gruen ist alles was ich habe... Gruen, Gruen, Gruen is all I have...(German folklore song)

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Sun, 06 May 2018 20:23

timeliz
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These look like real dive watches:

cal 518CA: # 202290180528
cal 731CD: # 391647708871

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Mon, 07 May 2018 03:28

MonKee
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Liz, I may be completely off base but I don't think those two watches qualify for these lofty prices. It seems the upper stratosphere priced divers are in fact kind of imitations of the Rolex Submariner introduced in 1953. The resemblance is not a mistake I am sure.

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Mon, 07 May 2018 06:38

timeliz
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Monkee,
I agree with you completely.
I have no intention of purchasing one.
And still don't understand why people are calling some of these dive watches when they are not and paying way too much for them.
I already have a vintage '60's Zodiac Sea Wolf dive watch, but it's never going near water!

"Some days are diamonds, some days are stones..." -John Denver

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Tue, 08 May 2018 21:59

GaryM
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Some of the high end used watch sellers I know just rave over these watches and have customers who will pay big bucks for them. I think its just for the look and feel.

Off topic I do wear a modern wannabe Orient diver. What's nice about it is the lume, it lasts ALL night, no lifting the covers to look up see what time it is. Get a sneak peak on your arm and back to the long snooze. Laughing

Of course there is that wannabe beat up dive watch. There are forum threads that folks will put premature wear to them to make them look worn. Those are the crazy folks!

Here is my beater...

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Re: What makes this worth that much $$$$ ? [message #8997 is a reply to message #8994]

Wed, 09 May 2018 14:56

timeliz
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Gary, No image showing.

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Wed, 09 May 2018 14:59

Barney Green
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Works for me...

Gruen, Gruen, Gruen ist alles was ich habe... Gruen, Gruen, Gruen is all I have...(German folklore song)

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Wed, 09 May 2018 15:45

GaryM
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Here is your answer Liz. I will be implementing this change.

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Wed, 09 May 2018 15:54

afire
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I don't get it. I can see it if there was actually any connection between the high-end divers, like a shared case supplier or something. For example, it makes perfect sense that the connection to the Rolex Prince would contribute to the pricing of Techni-Quadrons. They're more than just similar. But I don't get paying these kinds of prices for a watch that merely bears a passing resemblance to a Submariner.

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Wed, 09 May 2018 19:35

timeliz
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Gary,
I can see your wrist shot now without disabling https,
but needed to disable it to access your link to FUD forum.

I like your beater!

"Some days are diamonds, some days are stones..." -John Denver

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Wed, 09 May 2018 20:21

GaryM
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timeliz wrote on Wed, 09 May 2018 19:35

I like your beater!

Yes I'm not sure why I'm attracted to it, came in a tub full of other beaters watches.

I'm looking into the link issue you are seeing. I have to ask the developer if that is part of the patch. There is another release coming soon, some really good features, specifically "Mobile optimization for small screens"

[Updated on: Wed, 09 May 2018 20:22]

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