| wristlet convertible [message #12155] |
Wed, 12 February 2020 18:23  |
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Jenneke
Messages: 1904
Registered: May 2013
Location: Netherlands
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Description
Fake leather wooden box in greyish/taupe color with a gold print. Also the text "gruen wristlet watch" on the front side. Has a metal push button to open te case. Inside the case there is a greyish velvet holder for a convertible watch, smal metal strap and ribbon strap. Has silk in the lid stamped "gruen wristlet watch".
Period : 1918 - 1923?
Watch type : ladies convertible wristlet
Size : W=14.3cm D=6.5cm H=2.5cm
Inventor : unknown
Patents : unknown
Box maker : unknown
You can only waste time if you forget to enjoy it - Loesje
[Updated on: Wed, 13 January 2021 17:00] Report message to a moderator |
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| Re: wristlet convertible [message #14324 is a reply to message #14275] |
Mon, 11 January 2021 22:23  |
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Ephemerald
Messages: 1039
Registered: October 2018
Location: City of Lake Salt
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Hi Dan, this box you are showing is likely a ladies box and watch according to this different ad here from same time period. Looks like it includes a sportstrap, an attached black ribbon with clasp, and another 6 additional colored ribbons.
Matthias
[Updated on: Mon, 11 January 2021 22:28] Report message to a moderator |
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| Re: wristlet convertible [message #14330 is a reply to message #14328] |
Tue, 12 January 2021 19:54 |
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Ephemerald
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You're right about all those differences Jenneke for sure, about the box and you may be right that it's earlier. I'm simply showing the closest match that I've seen and yes attaching a date to it of 1923. I believe that is the ball park date of your box.
Matthias
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| Re: wristlet convertible [message #14331 is a reply to message #14328] |
Tue, 12 January 2021 21:22 |
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Ephemerald
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Question. Have you assigned a date to the watch? What year is it from?
I'm assuming you have no reason to believe that it doesn't belong to the box?
I am curious bc it will help me possibly narrow the search for this exact box in the local papers if the watch belongs. Thanks.
Matthias
[Updated on: Tue, 12 January 2021 21:25] Report message to a moderator |
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| Re: wristlet convertible [message #14333 is a reply to message #14331] |
Tue, 12 January 2021 21:59 |
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Barney Green
Messages: 1747
Registered: February 2014
Location: Wolfsburg, Germany
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This one is from December 1918. Called the "Combination Set".
The earliest I found so far.
Barney
Gruen, Gruen, Gruen ist alles was ich habe... Gruen, Gruen, Gruen is all I have...(German folklore song)
[Updated on: Tue, 12 January 2021 22:01] Report message to a moderator |
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| Re: wristlet convertible [message #14344 is a reply to message #14340] |
Thu, 14 January 2021 13:38 |
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Barney Green
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I have checked the years until 1922 and all the years the pictures in the adverts show the printed ribbon style. There is not a single ad showing Jenneke's version, probably because it has not been necessry to make no pictures because of this minor change. So I would say that this version would most likely have been used in the second half of the period, 1920-1922...
Cary, yours seems to be of the first production lot, would it be possible to check the serial number(s) for a dating? Or can you remember since when you have the box? If it were since 1918, this would also be a proof 
Gruen, Gruen, Gruen ist alles was ich habe... Gruen, Gruen, Gruen is all I have...(German folklore song)
[Updated on: Thu, 14 January 2021 13:40] Report message to a moderator |
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| Re: wristlet convertible [message #14350 is a reply to message #14349] |
Thu, 14 January 2021 21:32 |
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Jenneke
Messages: 1904
Registered: May 2013
Location: Netherlands
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Ah, a brown box. And brown velvet. The color before the black velvet.
It is not the ribbon that made me wonder if it could be earlier. It is the color. Taupe/grey and a finer “bark” structure. Difficult photographing.
Color comparison:
You can only waste time if you forget to enjoy it - Loesje
[Updated on: Thu, 14 January 2021 21:35] Report message to a moderator |
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Do not want too much competition. They are hard to find. 
It is one of my first watches and don’t think I ever tried to identify/date it. Maybe on the old forum. Shall add it to the identify or watch database. 
