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wristlet convertible [message #12155] Wed, 12 February 2020 18:23 Go to next message
Jenneke is currently offline  Jenneke
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Description
Fake leather wooden box in greyish/taupe color with a gold print. Also the text "gruen wristlet watch" on the front side. Has a metal push button to open te case. Inside the case there is a greyish velvet holder for a convertible watch, smal metal strap and ribbon strap. Has silk in the lid stamped "gruen wristlet watch".

Period : 1918 - 1923?
Watch type : ladies convertible wristlet
Size : W=14.3cm D=6.5cm H=2.5cm
Inventor : unknown
Patents : unknown

Box maker : unknown

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Re: wristlet convertible [message #12165 is a reply to message #12155] Thu, 13 February 2020 02:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mikey is currently offline  mikey
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Nice find Jenneke!

Still here....
Re: wristlet convertible [message #12166 is a reply to message #12165] Thu, 13 February 2020 03:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gary
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Beautiful presentation of a wristlet! Mine are all cobbled up a drawer. If I could all of mine would have boxes like Jenneke's.
Re: wristlet convertible [message #12167 is a reply to message #12166] Thu, 13 February 2020 06:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jenneke is currently offline  Jenneke
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No no, don’t look for boxes. Twisted Evil Do not want too much competition. They are hard to find. Sad


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Re: wristlet convertible [message #14273 is a reply to message #12167] Thu, 07 January 2021 09:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ephemerald
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Found a date for this one: 1923.


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Matthias
Re: wristlet convertible [message #14275 is a reply to message #14273] Fri, 08 January 2021 04:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Case is currently offline  Case
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Cool find! It looks like the companion to the men’s interchangeable. The earliest ad I’ve seen for the mans was 1922. Could this have debuted the same time?

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Re: wristlet convertible [message #14324 is a reply to message #14275] Mon, 11 January 2021 22:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ephemerald
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Hi Dan, this box you are showing is likely a ladies box and watch according to this different ad here from same time period. Looks like it includes a sportstrap, an attached black ribbon with clasp, and another 6 additional colored ribbons.


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Matthias

[Updated on: Mon, 11 January 2021 22:28]

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Re: wristlet convertible [message #14326 is a reply to message #14324] Tue, 12 January 2021 02:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Case is currently offline  Case
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You’re correct! I checked the other ad I have, and it also mentions ribbons.

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1) I'm wrong many times a day --just ask my wife!
2) Always seeking to learn more
Re: wristlet convertible [message #14328 is a reply to message #14326] Tue, 12 January 2021 19:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jenneke is currently offline  Jenneke
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And this one box with extra straps can be found in the database over here:
https:// www.vintagegruen.org/vgforum/index.php?t=msg&th=1769& ;start=0&

Still on the lookout for the real box Very Happy

I am not sure it is the same family. That box is brown like al the service boxes.

Nice to see the selingers ad. But this shows Gruen wrist watch in the lid. And suspect to be brown like the service boxes. Mine is clearly stamped wristlet in the lid and outside. And the color is also different.That made me believe it is an earlier box. No prove... I know.


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Re: wristlet convertible [message #14330 is a reply to message #14328] Tue, 12 January 2021 19:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ephemerald
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You're right about all those differences Jenneke for sure, about the box and you may be right that it's earlier. I'm simply showing the closest match that I've seen and yes attaching a date to it of 1923. I believe that is the ball park date of your box.


Matthias
Re: wristlet convertible [message #14331 is a reply to message #14328] Tue, 12 January 2021 21:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ephemerald
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Question. Have you assigned a date to the watch? What year is it from?
I'm assuming you have no reason to believe that it doesn't belong to the box?
I am curious bc it will help me possibly narrow the search for this exact box in the local papers if the watch belongs. Thanks.


Matthias

[Updated on: Tue, 12 January 2021 21:25]

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Re: wristlet convertible [message #14333 is a reply to message #14331] Tue, 12 January 2021 21:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Barney Green
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This one is from December 1918. Called the "Combination Set".

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The earliest I found so far.

Barney


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Re: wristlet convertible [message #14335 is a reply to message #14333] Tue, 12 January 2021 22:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ephemerald
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Aaaaand Bernd for the win. Laughing

Nice find. An even closer match!


Matthias
Re: wristlet convertible [message #14338 is a reply to message #14335] Wed, 13 January 2021 16:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jenneke is currently offline  Jenneke
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So I would say the box is narrowed down from 1918 to 1923. Somewhere over time they switched from the “wristlet” ribbon inside the lid to a printed wristlet text to printed wrist watch text (and brown version). Or a switch to another supplier (or maybe for another market f e canadian).

The watch inside and straps are not original to the box. Embarrassed It is one of my first watches and don’t think I ever tried to identify/date it. Maybe on the old forum. Shall add it to the identify or watch database. Smile


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Re: wristlet convertible [message #14340 is a reply to message #14338] Thu, 14 January 2021 04:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
C. Hurt is currently offline  C. Hurt
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Here’s mine. I’ve had it for a long time.

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Re: wristlet convertible [message #14344 is a reply to message #14340] Thu, 14 January 2021 13:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Barney Green
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I have checked the years until 1922 and all the years the pictures in the adverts show the printed ribbon style. There is not a single ad showing Jenneke's version, probably because it has not been necessry to make no pictures because of this minor change. So I would say that this version would most likely have been used in the second half of the period, 1920-1922...

Cary, yours seems to be of the first production lot, would it be possible to check the serial number(s) for a dating? Or can you remember since when you have the box? If it were since 1918, this would also be a proof Very Happy


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Re: wristlet convertible [message #14349 is a reply to message #14344] Thu, 14 January 2021 20:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Case is currently offline  Case
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Barney Green wrote on Thu, 14 January 2021 08:38
If it were since 1918, this would also be a proof Very Happy
Laughing

Is it possible J's is even earlier, that the ribbon came later? Asking, since the ribbon is there in all later ads.

Cary's should have the Wadsworth patent (or patent pending) stamp on the metal band, if I'm thinking correctly.
Re: wristlet convertible [message #14350 is a reply to message #14349] Thu, 14 January 2021 21:32 Go to previous message
Jenneke is currently offline  Jenneke
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Ah, a brown box. And brown velvet. The color before the black velvet.

It is not the ribbon that made me wonder if it could be earlier. It is the color. Taupe/grey and a finer “bark” structure. Difficult photographing.

Color comparison:
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[Updated on: Thu, 14 January 2021 21:35]

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