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18J Extra Precision Oval (Unknown) [message #12778] Mon, 06 July 2020 00:57 Go to next message
C. Hurt is currently offline  C. Hurt
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Could this be Favre’s no. 15? Doesn’t seem to appear in the 1926 catalog.

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[Updated on: Mon, 05 April 2021 16:12] by Moderator

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Re: Caliber 151 - (Extra) Precision - 5 1/2 '" [message #12780 is a reply to message #12778] Mon, 06 July 2020 02:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Wow, Cary, now there’s a deep cut from the archives! Certainly looks the part of a smaller-size Favre 15. What a cabochon! It’s a miracle the stem is still intact.

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2) Always seeking to learn more

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Re: Caliber 151 - (Extra) Precision - 5 1/2 '" [message #12783 is a reply to message #12780] Mon, 06 July 2020 08:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Barney Green
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For sure not the Favre 15, but definitely one which I have never seen before. This needs a further investigation, any idea which caliber number this could be?

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Re: Caliber 151 - (Extra) Precision - 5 1/2 '" [message #12784 is a reply to message #12783] Mon, 06 July 2020 13:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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One thing I can say - that serial number lines it up with the Dietrich Gruen labeled pocket watches. The early 19j Ultra-Thin, Up/Down, Minute Repeater, and Minute Repeater Chronograph are all in the SN range 41k-42k.

So my first thought is to look up the maker for those watches.

[Updated on: Mon, 06 July 2020 13:46]

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Re: Caliber 151 - (Extra) Precision - 5 1/2 '" [message #12785 is a reply to message #12784] Mon, 06 July 2020 14:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The main bridge layout is also similar to the Solvil ovals, but never seen one that small. Would be good to see front plate.

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1) I'm wrong many times a day --just ask my wife!
2) Always seeking to learn more

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Re: Caliber 151 - (Extra) Precision - 5 1/2 '" [message #12787 is a reply to message #12785] Mon, 06 July 2020 19:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Since we are talking Agassiz and ovals, I'll throw this one in.

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Re: Caliber 151 - (Extra) Precision - 5 1/2 '" [message #12788 is a reply to message #12787] Mon, 06 July 2020 19:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Barney Green
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Not quite sure if all these movements should be shown in the cal 151 thread...

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Re: Caliber 151 - (Extra) Precision - 5 1/2 '" [message #12789 is a reply to message #12784] Mon, 06 July 2020 19:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Closest sn I could find to Carys oval is 42378.

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Re: Caliber 151 - (Extra) Precision - 5 1/2 '" [message #12790 is a reply to message #12789] Mon, 06 July 2020 20:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Closer than me by two...

Nearest two:
42340 - UT 19 jewels, Gruen house case 1036561

42380 - DG MR SS 41 jewels, Gruen case 42380

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Re: Caliber 151 - (Extra) Precision - 5 1/2 '" [message #12795 is a reply to message #12790] Tue, 07 July 2020 01:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
C. Hurt is currently offline  C. Hurt
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Here’s the dial side.
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Sorry to have hijacked a thread. I can start a new topic if need be, or if the moderators wish to split things up, please go ahead.

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Re: Caliber 151 - (Extra) Precision - 5 1/2 '" [message #12796 is a reply to message #12795] Tue, 07 July 2020 13:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I note a second serial number on the front plate, in addition to one that matches Gruen’s. Any chance of confirming?

I do wish we could peel off the 89 and this mystery caliber into separate threads.

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2) Always seeking to learn more

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Re: Caliber 151 - (Extra) Precision - 5 1/2 '" [message #12805 is a reply to message #12796] Wed, 08 July 2020 14:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There was another labeled factory in this 42k Serial Number range in this time: Factory L. See the front plate of the 849 posted in the caliber database.

Cary--can you please confirm the dimensions of this oval movement? We'll peel it off into its own thread.

My two caveats:
1) I'm wrong many times a day --just ask my wife!
2) Always seeking to learn more

[Updated on: Wed, 08 July 2020 14:51]

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Re: Caliber 151 - (Extra) Precision - 5 1/2 '" [message #12820 is a reply to message #12805] Thu, 09 July 2020 16:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The second number stamped underneath the dial is 13694, as best I can tell. That stamping is very faint and may have been polished over.

Dimensions are 18.6mm x 12.65mm.

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Re: 18J Extra Precision Oval (Unknown) [message #14720 is a reply to message #12778] Mon, 05 April 2021 16:19 Go to previous message
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I split Cary's mystery EP oval into its own thread.

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