| Oval Ribbon Wristlet [message #14761] |
Wed, 14 April 2021 06:23  |
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Ephemerald
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Model name: Oval Silk Ribbon Wristlet- Silver variant of Plate XXXII
Type: Wristlet
Period/date: 1915-1917
Gender: Female
Case Maker: Robert Gygax
Case Material: .935
Case Serial: 5
Case Style no: na
Caliber: 100
Movement Maker: Gruen
Movement Serial:
Bracelet: Clasp stamped "Sterling", "D & C" for Daggett and Clap out of Attleboro, Mass
Other info: Rampant bear, 0.935, R.G., Gruen Watch Co, Suisse, 5
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Matthias
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| Re: Oval Ribbon Wristlet [message #14771 is a reply to message #14766] |
Wed, 14 April 2021 18:43  |
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Ephemerald
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Hmmm, 1920? That's interesting.....No I don't mind you nitpicking on dates, go ahead. I'm open to consensus. That's the latest estimate I've heard. Got any solid proof I can...see? I wasn't aware of the case reset after the first world war. Convince me. Or I can take your word. For some reason I was thinking this predates the 1917 wcow...
Matthias
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| Re: Oval Ribbon Wristlet [message #14772 is a reply to message #14771] |
Wed, 14 April 2021 19:46 |
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Barney Green
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Case numbering has been up to the supplier, so I do not think that the case number will be helpful in dating the watch...
Gruen, Gruen, Gruen ist alles was ich habe... Gruen, Gruen, Gruen is all I have...(German folklore song)
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| Re: Oval Ribbon Wristlet [message #14774 is a reply to message #14773] |
Thu, 15 April 2021 15:08 |
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Ephemerald
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Trying to slip away are ya? You're not hijacking and you know it. It's what we do here: tangents. Well what do you got? My thread and I'd love to hear or see your theory! Let's see it.
Matthias
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| Re: Oval Ribbon Wristlet [message #14775 is a reply to message #14774] |
Thu, 15 April 2021 16:00 |
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Case
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Location: Cincinnati
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 --slippery, but can't get away!
Yours is not the first on the forum with these markings and a 1920ish movement. Rewind to Jack's post from 2013: swiss import sterling case #42. That's what first started me down this road. link may work; or search "not silver bells, but it is sterling"
I also find very few movement swaps among women's watches (unlike the heavily-swapped quadrons). The market has never been there to incentivize it. They were either scrapped or left unrepaired. So I would not first assume your case is 5 years earlier than your movement; I'd look at it first as "can this be original?"
Look back from the 1910-1917 watches previously shared, and the case numbers are high.
Separately, you'll see that other Gold swiss import case numbers from the early 1921/22 period are also around 1k or below. Liz's 849 is the most beautiful, so I'll share it.
Liz's 849
Markings same as yours & Jack's--but different material (14k). I propose that this is the start of the "Import" case number line, which grew only to about 7,000 by the late 1920s. Gruen was restructuring their portfolio; it would make sense case number sequence would be included. It now included both Sterling & Gold in the same Import case # line.
In between 1920 and the 1910-1917 watches, there is a transition. I find from 1918-1919 Gruen shifted all of its Sterling cases out of Swiss & into USA made (925/1000). I believe that is due to wartime restrictions, plus increased demand for trench watches from Gruen.
That's the short version, and I don't have time currently to put a full document of all the cases for each. Perhaps a different thread later.
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