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Gruen Master deluxe [message #18163] Fri, 31 March 2023 20:06 Go to next message
Jenneke is currently offline  Jenneke
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Model name: Master deluxe (with metal strap a Supreme)
Type: wristwatch
Period/date: 1937
Gender: male

Case Maker: star watch case co
Case Material: 10kgfd bezel, guildite back
Case Serial: 576409
Case Style no: 296

Caliber: 501 fifteen 15 jewels 2 adjustments, unadjusted
Markings: gruen watch co
Movement Maker: gruen
Movement Serial: 2-104801:

Other info: probably original leather strap.

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You can only waste time if you forget to enjoy it - Loesje

[Updated on: Sun, 02 April 2023 22:14]

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Re: Gruen family from the master [message #18164 is a reply to message #18163] Fri, 31 March 2023 20:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jenneke is currently offline  Jenneke
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There is a very similar watch.. the Gruen master advertised in 1937.

https://www.hifi-archiv.info/Uhren-Werbung/Gruen/Gruen%20193 7%202.jpg

The left one is the master.
/vgforum/index.php?t=getfile&id=10445&private=0

Case style number is the same…
/vgforum/index.php?t=getfile&id=10446&private=0

You can only waste time if you forget to enjoy it - Loesje

[Updated on: Fri, 31 March 2023 20:09]

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Re: Gruen family from the master [message #18167 is a reply to message #18164] Sat, 01 April 2023 15:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Barney Green
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Hi Jenneke,

very nice watches! This watch is the "Master Supreme", at $39.75 it sold for $10 more than the regular "Master". This price difference did not alone come from the decoration but mainly because of the metal band it came with. This also answers the question if the leather strap were original. Unfortunately not...

Here a 1937 ad showing the two together:

/vgforum/index.php?t=getfile&id=10449&private=0


The (plastic) crystal is NOT SUC MU175 or GS MT377 as you might find advertised in the bay. This would be the crystal for the "Curvex Master"!

Barney

Gruen, Gruen, Gruen ist alles was ich habe... Gruen, Gruen, Gruen is all I have...(German folklore song)

[Updated on: Sat, 01 April 2023 16:00]

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Re: Gruen family from the master [message #18168 is a reply to message #18167] Sat, 01 April 2023 15:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jenneke is currently offline  Jenneke
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Whoe, so it is indeed family! That is fun info.

Shame the strap is not original. Time correct though. Not that I would reuse it, it has some dna and cracks… Confused

Now I have to look for a metal strap and a crystal. Poehee.

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Re: Gruen family from the master [message #18174 is a reply to message #18168] Sun, 02 April 2023 11:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jenneke is currently offline  Jenneke
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After some measuring, the verdict is that it does need a MT377. Package curvex print is a mistake.

See https://vintagegruen.org/vgforum/index.php?t=msg&th=2487 &goto=18165&#msg_18165

You can only waste time if you forget to enjoy it - Loesje

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Re: Gruen family from the master [message #18178 is a reply to message #18174] Sun, 02 April 2023 19:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Barney Green
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Jenneke,

more good news to come. But first the bad: you may have to rename the thread.
The good news:
You do not have to look for a new strap, because your watch might still have it's original band. After more research I found a new model with your case and a leather strap: the Master Deluxe.
It seems to have been the "base model" of the decorated Master version while the Supreme was the more expensive one with the metal band. Here you go with the proof from a December 1937 advertisement:

/vgforum/index.php?t=getfile&id=10451&private=0

Barney

Gruen, Gruen, Gruen ist alles was ich habe... Gruen, Gruen, Gruen is all I have...(German folklore song)

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Re: Gruen family from the master [message #18179 is a reply to message #18178] Sun, 02 April 2023 22:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jenneke is currently offline  Jenneke
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That is fantastic news! I’ve been looking for a bracelet but 13.5mm is an odd size.

Now I can recreate the leather strap using the oldie as a template. Unfortunately the buckle is missing.

/vgforum/index.php?t=getfile&id=10452&private=0

And moreover, that advertisement is more fun! “very newest” and “curved to fit the wrist” Cool

The engraving costs 4 dollar extra. The metal strap 6 dollars (125 in todays money).

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Re: Gruen family from the master [message #18295 is a reply to message #18179] Sun, 14 May 2023 19:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jenneke is currently offline  Jenneke
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With its new crystal and home made fish strap.

/vgforum/index.php?t=getfile&id=10517&private=0

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Re: Gruen family from the master [message #18299 is a reply to message #18295] Mon, 15 May 2023 00:55 Go to previous message
JackW is currently offline  JackW
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Nicely done!

All I know is based on hard work & writing by others. I can only aspire to augment this body of knowledge. If I am wrong it is because of my own failings. -me

"If I have seen farther it is by standing on the shoulders of giants." - Newton

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